Curse

Volarian · Jun 10, 2005, 04:46 AM // 04:46

P.S. When you can buy Sup Runes from a vendor...Vigor included.....for far less than 100k.....good luck to ya. Yes I know it's dependent upon supply etc. but still 86k more reasonable.
(sorry for the extra post).

MACSIMUS · Jun 10, 2005, 05:25 PM // 17:25

Blah sorry for the huge blocks of text =P. I love how people say this shouldn't be worth that much or this shouldn't be this. It cracks me up cause what u don't to understand is that at the moment wat should or shouldnt be doesn't matter. Only thing that does matter is WHAT IS.

Inflated prices not being helped by the rune trader, as i said in previous post 13k for major vigor then and today 16k. Hahaha they used to sell for 8-10k by people. I don't agree with the prices they are crazy but they are what they are and to say it doesn't matter people are willing to spend is just.....i dont even know wat to call it.

Everyone says oh its these people with the good items charging up the @$$. Blah Blah. As of yet these is no solution,t he rune trader didnt really hit the rune market like i thought it would. Thought that was the first line in gold sinks but it really isnt, cause people still sell sup vigors for the same thing and people stll buy them. I would love to see the economy go down of but by the time that happens the expansion will be out.

In the mean time poor noobs hording gold and stuff will continually get scammed and it sucks for them cause they work hard for it. And that in turn will make them lose taste for the game. In diablo gold was worthless so it was always trade for trade with items. You couldnt get scammed the same way. But gold being something saught after makes peoples greed fly off the handle.

I just say introduce those gold sinks fast to try to help or allow more gold to be transfered in the mean time, because whether they should or shouldnt they will and they are and people are getting boonked every day and that sucks for them. And please dont say they deserve it if their willing to pay that much cause they are just rolling with the punches.

CtrlAltDel · Jun 10, 2005, 05:28 PM // 17:28

whats selling for over 100k, 'cause im never seeing it

and whoever paying it is getting ripped off

MACSIMUS · Jun 10, 2005, 05:31 PM // 17:31

Weapons Like Swords and bows mostly with +15% no condition +30 health and other mods sell for WELL over 100k.

EmperorTippy · Jun 10, 2005, 05:43 PM // 17:43

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Originally Posted by KingKryton

how the **** do these people get 200k??????????????

CHEATERS?

i have 400k spread across 3 characters and storage and i got it mostly by buying black dye for 2.5 - 3k and holding on to it until the price went up to were the trader was paying like 4k for it. Doing this actually keeps inflation down cause i wont sell until the prices on items get higher and my adding to the market lowers the prices.

BTW i have never farmed after i got 2plat

P.S. I have never got any drop worth over 10k and that was a major vigor which i sold for 10k to somedude

Drakron · Jun 10, 2005, 06:01 PM // 18:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Volarian

P.S. When you can buy Sup Runes from a vendor...Vigor included.....for far less than 100k.....good luck to ya. Yes I know it's dependent upon supply etc. but still 86k more reasonable.
(sorry for the extra post).

We can, last I time I checked it was about 14k.

Even if the Rune trader have run out almost nobody is going to pay twice as much as the trader going rate, they rather wait until it goes back in stock.

Sure I would pay more that trader price for a out of stock rune if it price was within limits, twice its not within limits and I am not going to pay for such a exorbitant price that is 86k for a rune.

What is driving such high prices is the worthless gold and the lack of aceptable options, we started with dyes and moved to runes ... next thing that becames inflated to hell is going to find a trader.

Truth is that there must be gold sinks, the ale is a good idea but there is more that must be intruduced so people cannot easy find thenselves with +50k, that will keep prices down and if farmer players continue with wanting exorbitant prices ... trader will fix that.

Tactical-Dillusions · Jun 10, 2005, 06:12 PM // 18:12

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Originally Posted by MACSIMUS

Weapons Like Swords and bows mostly with +15% no condition +30 health and other mods sell for WELL over 100k.

I have found many dozens of gold items with fantastic stats but i just salvaged them or sell them direct to the merchants.
I have no use for the uber swords/shields etc and i gave (apparently from the inflated prices on here) well over 1 million golds worth of weapons to people for FREE! No nonsense, just give them away.
My brother got at least 20 gold and purple items from me for free in one occasion. All of them from ascension areas and southern shiverpeaks.
I give runes away too.
I went to ascalon and shouted out "first person to team with me gets 10 runes for free".
I kept my promise and gave them the runes. Why not?

Why the hell people want to spend a vast amount of time building up gold, only to give it to someone for a weapon that gives them a % increase on a weapon is beyond my thinking.

I do what i can to drive inflation down but it seems there are few like me. "You don't need gold" i hear you thinking...that's right. I have an ample amount from trying to find the best weapon for MYSELF and i even have fully infused armour that i purchased from droknars forge.
Emperortippy, ample meaning just over 200k.

If ANet wanted to take a % of my gold income, i would be happy. Taxation may be a good idea infact although i know many would disagree.

People who pay for items that they would eventually find themselves are just shooting themselves in the foot and making the situation worse for themselves as well as others and playing right into the hands of the greedy.

How many times have i sold an item through player to player trade? Maybe a dozen times, mostly when i was under level 10.
The majority of those times, i charged 1gp for whatever it was and the most i sold something for was last week. It was a major swordsmanship rune for 100 gold in temple of the ages.

Oops, another long post. Can't remember the topic now, lol

EDIT - sinkhole idea

Heres a small idea, henchmen cost gold to hire for missions/adventures but ALL loot goes to the player/players.

If the henchmen hiring cost is reflective of the area played, a new sinkhole could be added to the economy and keep the players happy by getting some good stuff.
I may yet enjoy the "attentions" of Alesia on my travels, besides fixing the annoyance of this latest patch for so-called farming.

Thoughts on this sinkhole anyone?

Tyrent Frath · Jun 10, 2005, 08:07 PM // 20:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by MACSIMUS

As of yet these is no solution,t he rune trader didnt really hit the rune market like i thought it would. Thought that was the first line in gold sinks but it really isnt, cause people still sell sup vigors for the same thing and people stll buy them.

I gave you a perfect example before, and you didn't seem to get the clue.

Superior Fire (pre-patch) was sold for upwards of 50k.
Superior Fire (post-patch) not sold for over 15k.

Other superior runes have been hit hard too, so unless you expected a flawless patch, I have no clue what your expectations were.

BTW, sinkhole idea is good, I like the idea of paying henchies.

Drakron · Jun 10, 2005, 09:38 PM // 21:38

I dont, henchman are not a good option and need I remind you they already take a cut from drops and gold in the missions?

They are already a sinkhole and in fact destroy far more gold that traders do since players are not getting drops and not getting a bigger amount of money because there is a henchman taking his cut.

Henchman exist so players have a option of going solo since the district is dead or because there are not enough players to fill a group, forcing the players to team up is absurd.

Taxes are also bad, it eventual forces people to farm because the game decides it wants 10gp from a player ... I am sure you are all happy to pay your real life taxes.

Again, the effective sink holes is making things player want and are destroyed, ale is making people spend a lot of gold so they can get a screen effect and a special animation ... its burning more gold that any tax or henchman payment would.

Shadowdaemon · Jun 10, 2005, 09:52 PM // 21:52

You think ale is good? then try out one of my GODLY stone summit crack pipes, i'll trade it to you for a mere 200k.

Eclair · Jun 10, 2005, 10:07 PM // 22:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tactical-Dillusions

I have found many dozens of gold items with fantastic stats but i just salvaged them or sell them direct to the merchants.
I have no use for the uber swords/shields etc and i gave (apparently from the inflated prices on here) well over 1 million golds worth of weapons to people for FREE! No nonsense, just give them away.
My brother got at least 20 gold and purple items from me for free in one occasion. All of them from ascension areas and southern shiverpeaks.
I give runes away too.
I went to ascalon and shouted out "first person to team with me gets 10 runes for free".
I kept my promise and gave them the runes. Why not?

Why the hell people want to spend a vast amount of time building up gold, only to give it to someone for a weapon that gives them a % increase on a weapon is beyond my thinking.

I do what i can to drive inflation down but it seems there are few like me. "You don't need gold" i hear you thinking...that's right. I have an ample amount from trying to find the best weapon for MYSELF and i even have fully infused armour that i purchased from droknars forge.
Emperortippy, ample meaning just over 200k.

If ANet wanted to take a % of my gold income, i would be happy. Taxation may be a good idea infact although i know many would disagree.

People who pay for items that they would eventually find themselves are just shooting themselves in the foot and making the situation worse for themselves as well as others and playing right into the hands of the greedy.

How many times have i sold an item through player to player trade? Maybe a dozen times, mostly when i was under level 10.
The majority of those times, i charged 1gp for whatever it was and the most i sold something for was last week. It was a major swordsmanship rune for 100 gold in temple of the ages.

Oops, another long post. Can't remember the topic now, lol

EDIT - sinkhole idea

Heres a small idea, henchmen cost gold to hire for missions/adventures but ALL loot goes to the player/players.

If the henchmen hiring cost is reflective of the area played, a new sinkhole could be added to the economy and keep the players happy by getting some good stuff.
I may yet enjoy the "attentions" of Alesia on my travels, besides fixing the annoyance of this latest patch for so-called farming.

Thoughts on this sinkhole anyone?

People pay alot of money for certain items because they're rare. Maybe you've been lucky in your drops, but I certainly haven't found a single max damage weapon with +% damage with health >50%. I'd settle for a meager 10%, but alas, no luck even with such, despite playing the game for over 300 hours =/

MACSIMUS · Jun 11, 2005, 02:17 AM // 02:17

Lets meet up some where i have space in my storage that needs to be filled by you generosity

MACSIMUS · Jun 11, 2005, 02:28 AM // 02:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrent Frath

I gave you a perfect example before, and you didn't seem to get the clue.

Superior Fire (pre-patch) was sold for upwards of 50k.
Superior Fire (post-patch) not sold for over 15k.

Other superior runes have been hit hard too, so unless you expected a flawless patch, I have no clue what your expectations were.

BTW, sinkhole idea is good, I like the idea of paying henchies.

You dont seem to get my point. The Patch brought down Runes associated with certain proffessions but like i said many times before it didnt bring down Sup Vigors or Major Vigor. IF anyone has seen a sup vigor for cheap at the rune trader you eyes dont work. As of this very moment i checked. I dragged the sup vigor to the price block long enough to actually view a price . 100k YES thats right 100k to buy it from the trader. This is the case in both ascalon and in lions arch its the same everywhere i assume. If there is some other magical place where rune trader charges something else please tell me. But with my own eyes no lies it charged 100k for sup vigor rune. Anyone who says anything differnt is flat out telling fibs. I didn't expect a perfect patch but i think it woulda been smart to bash Vigors too since they are the most commonly sold rune since they go for everyone. I think that woulda had a huge impact, more so than the impact on other runes. But your point is taken some progress has been made just not enough.

P.S. Paying henchies is good just change the name to mercinaries so it'll make more sence when u have to pay them

pionata · Jun 11, 2005, 02:48 AM // 02:48

I got my superior fire for 12k before the patch...

Whats' messed up currently is that most major runes cost less than the minor ones...

spikydude · Jun 11, 2005, 04:34 AM // 04:34

I dont have super duper weapons nor a superior vigor rune, and my character does just as well as other characters out there. I know that inflation is huge right now, but I'll choose not to buy stuff that go for over 100k, that's just pure stupidity, ill go on living with what I have and Im pretty happy with that!

Im sure that ANet is aware of this. I dont doubt that some gold sinks will be implemented to solve this.

Tyrent Frath · Jun 11, 2005, 03:43 PM // 15:43

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Originally Posted by MACSIMUS

it woulda been smart to bash Vigors too since they are the most commonly sold rune since they go for everyone.

Exactly for this reason they SHOULD be rarer. I'm not saying they should be worth 100k, im saying they should be more valuable than other superiors. It will take some time, but eventually this wil even out. Give it a month or two, and if you are still unsatisfied, you don't have to play.

MACSIMUS · Jun 11, 2005, 04:22 PM // 16:22

Im not unsatisfyed at all. I said fromt he start because of this the trade system should be allowed to transfer from storage to storage. I just check out sup fire yesturday and this morngin yesturday was 36 play and today went down to 29 plat. I remember someon saying something about them being 14 plat.

I took their word for it and decided to check. Maybe that was then but now they are as i said above. SO once again as i've said 1000 times rune traders havent really done anything other than use us as guinea pigs to set officail price listings.

Galatea · Jun 11, 2005, 05:48 PM // 17:48

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Originally Posted by Drakron

We can, last I time I checked it was about 14k.

whoa - what trader are you shopping at? lol.
i checked superior vigor around 11pm pst last night, and it was 100 platinum exact at the trader.

Drakron · Jun 12, 2005, 01:23 AM // 01:23

Lion's Arch but I am not suprised it reached 100k now, there was already a camp of 5-6 players and it was out of stock when I look at it that was about 2-3 hours after the patch.

Maej · Jun 12, 2005, 05:52 AM // 05:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by MACSIMUS

Inflated prices not being helped by the rune trader, as i said in previous post 13k for major vigor then and today 16k. Hahaha they used to sell for 8-10k by people. I don't agree with the prices they are crazy but they are what they are and to say it doesn't matter people are willing to spend is just.....i dont even know wat to call it.

Ok, I get what your saying. I believe that gold botters are buying from the rune trader. Its a convenience to them. What do they care if they pay 6K more for an item? To them, 6K means the bot will have to run while they are in the shower. I saw Sup Vigor going for 80K average before patch. Afterwards I see people selling the Sup Vigor for 75 K but the Rune trader hardly has one in stock and if he does then its 99pp 945gp (or something like that). I am going to hold that as an indication that the rune trader is lowering prices on Sup Vigor (for most of us).

If I had a problem with items selling for WAY too high then I would either add more items to the economy or take away more gold. Which is what the rune trader does. Its creating Runes (items) and selling them in exchange for a variable amount of gold (or removing gold from the economy).

My magic 8 ball tells me that arenanet is thinking the following:
"We are taking these steps to improve the game for all players, so that people using bots to farm gold cannot generate a huge influx of new gold into the economy, which increases prices for everyone and encourages other players to engage in repetitive farming just to keep up."

the magic 8 ball goes on to tell me that we "can expect to see the first meaningful changes towards this goal next week."